Is it often used for expressing surprise?

kuen posted:
Is 'go and (verb) often used for expressing surprise or not necessarily?

Hi, Kuen,

You are asking here about "gone and [past participle]," not about "go and [verb]." Your last question, which included about twenty follow-up questions, concerned "go and [verb]," along with "go V-ing," etc.

"Gone and [past participle]" is not used often at all. I would say that, on the rare occasions when it is used (in regional dialects), it is used to convey dismay. Here is what The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) has to say about it:

go [definition 32 b]: To do or resort to doing something regarded as improper, bold, foolish, etc., or which otherwise prompts disapproval, annoyance, surprise, or amusement.

Definition 32 b has three subdivisions including its own (b):

go [definition 32 b (b)]: colloq. With and and coordinate verb.

1736   A. Langford Lover his own Rival vii. 31   'Tis well if he don't go and hang himself to be reveng'd of us.
1755   H. Walpole Corr. (ed. 3) III. cclxvii. 105   Don't go and imagine that £1,200,000 was all Sunk in the gulph of Madame Pompadour.
1788   R. Bage James Wallace III. 27   When I expects him here every day..he goes and gets himself shot, like a fool.
1878   Scribner's Monthly 16 87/1   The fool has gone and got married.
1891   Temple Bar Aug. 470   That I should actually have been and gone and told him so!
1952   Pop. Sci. Mar. 197/1   The old one was perfectly good, but no, you had to go and squander hard-earned cash on a new one.
1966   J. J. Phillips Mojo Hand 153   Lawdamercy! Mr. Talbert, what you want to go and do that for?
2011   Sun (Nexis) 20 May 92   The man is nearly 35, yet he's only gone and got a spray tan!

Hi David,

How about 'went and (past tense)'? Do you native speakers use it as often as 'go and (present tense)'?

When would you use it in daily conversation?

Is this sentence OK?

"I went and asked for his help yesterday."

Thanks again.

 

kuen posted:

How about 'went and (past tense)'? Do you native speakers use it as often as 'go and (present tense)'?

Hi, Kuen: We use "went and (past tense)" quite often. Whether we use it as often as "go and [base form]" is a statistical question that would require a great deal of corpus research, but my sense is that "go and [base form]" is more common.

kuen posted:
When would you use it in daily conversation?

Here are a few examples:

  • We went and saw "Bohemian Rhapsody," the new film about Queen.
  • I went and looked at my new classroom yesterday. It's nice.
  • She went and visited her brother in the hospital.
kuen posted:
Is this sentence OK?

"I went and asked for his help yesterday."

It's OK, yes, but I'd prefer the following:

  • I went and asked him for help yesterday.

Hi David,

Can we also use 'went and...' or 'go and...' to convey disapproval, annoyance, surprise, etc. like 'gone and...'?

These sentences were quoted from  online dictionaries:

1. "Somebody goes and does something mindless like that and just destroys everything for you."

2. "He's gone and lost (= he has lost) that wallet I gave him for his birthday."

Can I say "He went and lost that wallet I gave him for his birthday." to convey dismay like #2?

Thank you very much.

 

kuen posted:

Does this sentence with 'went and...' imply surprise or just express a fact?

"She went and ordered a new car."

Hi, Kuen,

We can't tell without context. Here's a context in which it expresses surprise:

  • She went and ordered a new car. Can you believe it?

And here's a context in which it does not express surprise:

  • She went and ordered a new car when the insurance company informed her that the car that she had been driving was totaled.

Here are some other contexts in which it does not express surprise:

For more biblical examples, simply Google "'went and' KJV". One could probably spend a whole week collecting examples of this structure from the Bible.

kuen posted:

Is Gone and [past participle] always used to convey disapproval, annoyance, surprise, silly etc. without exception?

Hi, Kuen,

One should be very careful before saying that something is "always and without exception" a certain way in English grammar. If you are looking for exceptions, think of cases where "gone" means "left":

A: Has she gone already?
B: Yes, she has gone and flown back to China.

David, Moderator posted:

Hi, Kuen,

One should be very careful before saying that something is "always and without exception" a certain way in English grammar.

 

Hi David,

Could you please explain what you meant here?

Thank you very much for your answer.

 

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