Then I gave you my answer:

The belief that women gossip more then men is widespread.

is NOT an appositive. See my argument in the above.

As you saw in Quirk (I quoted here that part), grammarians themselves don't agree on definitions of appositives, thus why should I agree with any book? I adopted the 3 criteria given in Quirk and I am sticking to them. No "weak," no "partial" for me.
hi JerryS,

The same book says they are all appositive.
Books just show general information without easily understandable explanations ,and this sometimes gets confused some people who are just students or learners like me.

And i really appreciate your help and patience..Thanks.
For the moment, I am going to leave the rude remarks on the board, but I will remove them later today.

This is addressed to Jerry: Remember collegial? If you are explaining something, you have to do it with respect, or you are out of here. Really.

That's first.

Second, I request -- indeed, require -- that comments are posted with thought having been given to them. Put your thoughts into one post at a time. If you can't collect your thoughts in an organized fashion, don't post.

We do not want to clutter up the board with several scattered afterthoughts. Jerry, if you post, please organize your thoughts into one coherent posting.
Soguksu, what you have identified as an appositive IS an appositive.

Jerry's interpretation is an individual one. You can see that Quirk, Frank, and the rest of us on this board agree with you.

Richard noted a few days ago -- and I am pointing this out again -- that Jerry is not an experienced teacher of English nor writer of English language teaching materials, nor even a native speaker. Jerry is a very active and valued member of this group, but when push comes to shove, you should remember that.

I would appreciate it if no one in this group becomes shrill, self-righteous, scolding -- this is the worst, scolding (which I am doing right now) -- and generally disrespectful.
There's a rumour abroad that she intends to leave the company.
There was news abroad that a change was coming.

Back to the original question that Soguksu wanted explained.

As we have seen, the bolded parts of each sentence are noun clauses. Noun clauses can also be appositives, as they are in these two sentences.

Richard gave us some simple and clear illustrations of appositives, and Mehrdad gave us simple and clear interpretations of Quirk.

Now, less simply, Quirk addresses the topic of apposition in much detail. We have discussed whether 'partial apposition' qualifies as apposition. It does. Take a look at Quirk, p. 1305, section 17.70. In this section, Quirk describes the various types of apposition.

We have discussed appositives many times on the Grammar Exchange. I am calling your attention to several threads – a few among many -- in which Marilyn Martin, a previous moderator, commented on appositives. These are enlightening:

http://thegrammarexchange.info...206052845#5206052845

http://thegrammarexchange.info...091059102#1091059102

http://thegrammarexchange.info...036065793#5036065793
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The identifying of grammatical constructions is, of course, an interesting topic. I want to call your attention, too, to how Betty Azar presents these appositive constructions. As you may know, Betty presents material in a very simple way, and does not use many grammatical terms in her explanations.

In the attachment below, I show part of her chapter on noun clauses in Understanding and Using English Grammar*. These illustrations are part of Chart 12-5 on Page 253. You can see that these examples show the kinds of sentences we have been discussing.

So, I hope your question has finally been answered to your satisfaction, Sogukso, and to yours, Mr. Linguaphile, the original poster of the question -- whom we haven't heard from since!
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*Understanding and Using English Grammar, Fourth Edition, by Betty S. Azar and Stacy A. Hagen. Pearson Longman 2009

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Hi,
Rachel thank you for explanations....

What i inferred from what you wrote is that a noun clause coming after a noun that is at the begginig or the end of a sentence is an appositive.1)right?

If so, I can say this:
where is she?We have no idea...I can turn this sentence into the sentence below:

We have no idea Where she is.

Then this one is an appositive.2)right?
Thanks.

P.s: I just try to draw some conclusion.
quote:
We have no idea where she is.

Yes, Sogukso, this noun clause is an appositive.

About your description of noun clauses being appositives when they are next to nouns at the beginning or the end of the sentence -- that is probably true most of the time. But I am not sure about this.

I'll be thinking about it more.

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